Questions for us Decons

could you see yourself going back?

what would it take?

do you “miss” it?

would you like to go back?

do you ever consider going back?

drop a comment in the bucket and let’s start a conversation.

-mike

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Overheard on the Blogs: Christianity’s Problem

On Maasaiboys.wordpress.com in answer to the post God’s Problem and the “objective standard of morality” that the God of the bible is supposed to provide that supposedly “doesn’t exist” without Him.

Christianity’s problem is that their God of the Bible doesn’t have an objective moral standard either.
“Thou shalt not kill (murder)” then he tells Israel to kill (murder) the people in Canaan or Amalekites or whoever he says to kill. He’s “prolife” and anti abortion or infanticide, anti rape and adultry…then he kills David and bathshebas child rather than punish David for rape and adultry… and murdering Uriah.
The moral standard of the God of the Bible is whatever he happens to say to do or not to do at that particular moment. Not an objective, set standard. Especially not for Himself.

Enough said. If you agree, why not comment on the original or here down below. Let’s start a conversation.

-mik

Why should anyone care? Reasons

Posted on the Facebook page of one of our Christian friends that we haven’t told we aren’t Christian anymore.

“I want to say something about the ” GOD isn’t real ” debate. You don’t believe in God? That’s ok, but why is it so important for many of you to mock those of us that do? If we’re wrong, what have we lost when we die? Nothing! How does our faith in Jesus Christ bring you any harm? You think it makes me stupid? Gullible? Ignorant? That’s ok too. How does that affect you?”

Why should we care? What does the lack truth and evidence for your Christianity matter to the rest of us? Reasons.

What if this were said by a Muslim extremist?

One who believed that their Faith required them to fly planes into buildings or walk into a street cafe or onto a bus in Jaffa with a suicide bomb vest strapped to his chest?

What if their Faith required them to “take back the Holy Land” by force of arms during the Crusades… torture and kill “Infidels” and Heretics during the Inquisition… or Witches in Colonial Salem Massachusetts?

What if someone’s Faith convinced them to “Save the Unborn” being murdered by abortion doctors… by bombing their facilities… or shooting and killing the physicians?

What if their Faith just motivated them to Vote… in elections and referendums that stifled supported the stifling or outright violation of the freedoms and personal rights of those who disagree or don’t believe as they do?

Then 9/11 Attacks were a Faith Based endeavor. So we’re the Salem Witch Trials, the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, and many more atrocities committed or planned but failed by “well meaning” and Faith Motivated individuals thru history.

My point being… our Beliefs and Faiths have consequences in real life. How we treat each other. How we talk to and about each other. Beliefs and Faiths are not just private. They are public, especially when those who hold them… don’t, won’t or can’t keep them private because they are in obedience to them. It’s disingenuous and slightly dishonest to say “what does it matter to you?” When it matters very much to Them.

With Matt Dilahunty, “I want to believe as many True things and as few Untrue things as possible.”. Our Beliefs and Faith… our view of Reality… should match with what actually is Real, and we ALL should “care” if it doesn’t. They should be able to stand up to scrutiny without the Insecure Defensiveness that would rather lash out against unbelievers… than “give an answer for why you believe”. Beliefs have Real World consequences. Real World impacts on the lives of other people other than just YOU.

Why does it matter? It matters because what you believe motivates what you do… and impacts on the lives of those around you, not just yourself. It matters because we ALL matter.

-mike

Apologetics is Kabuki Theater

“Should a conflict arise between the witness of the Holy Spirit to the fundamental truth of the Christian faith and beliefs based on argument and evidence, then it is the former which must take precedence over the latter.

…We’ve already said that it’s the Holy Spirit who gives us the ultimate assurance of Christianity’s truth. Therefore, the only role left for argument and evidence to play is a subsidiary role.”

-Dr William Lane Craig

Therefore… all the vaunted talk of “Evidence that demands a verdict” and Reasonable Faith is just a bunch of bullsh*t. Evidence and Reason that doesn’t serve the propositional purpose of defending and supporting the A Priori conclusion of the existence of the Biblical God is tossed away as easily as yesterday’s newspaper.

Christian apologetics is not about evidence and Reason, it’s about misdirection and subterfuge. Whatever it takes to convince gullible and willing people to ignore real Evidence and Reason in favor of Faith… blind, trusting, unquestioning and “inner feelings” oriented Faith.

Free yourself from the Matrix of biblical Christianity.

-mike

No John, the Universe is not Designed for Us

It’s not even Designed FOR life. There is design, but no evidence of the existence of a Divine Designer behind it. There is nothing in the design and pattern of the universe that can lead you back Evidentially to a Personal pattern maker or designer that “did it” all.

  • Intuition doesnt do it for you.
  • Philosophy doesnt do it for you (sorry Tom).
  • And forceful argumentation from silence, ignorance or incredulity doesn’t do it for you either.

All these have one thing in common. The flawed and fallible minds of men and women who have started with a conclusion that they then go in search of the reasoning, rationale, and ‘evidence’ to justify their continued belief in the conclusion they’ve come to by Faith in the Holy Books in which they read it in the first place.

This is not Apologetics. This is circular reasoning to justify conformational bias. This is not looking for an Answer to a Question. It’s looking for or creating the “right questions” or the sufficient reasons to justify the Answer you already think you have, then attacking those who refuse to believe what you believe on Bad or No real evidence.

Pointing to the clouds, the earth, the heavens and the stars to justify the assertion that they and we were Created and Designed by and for the Purpose of the Creator you can’t actually demonstrate to exist is pointless and a non-sequiter. To reach a reasonable conclusion that my Aunt Hattie was the one to have spilled the milk in my kitchen, I would have to first demonstrate that I HAVE an Aunt Hattie (which I don’t) to have done the deed. Otherwise someone else did it, or No one else did it. Perhaps it was just me… or the breeze… or was incidentally knocked over by some other action. Either way, for my Aunt Hattie to have “did it” I would need to first demonstrate that I have an Aunt Hattie, then demonstrate that she actually did it vs some other explanation. “She HAD to have done it, who else COULD have?” Is not sufficient reason to believe she did. Even if no can’t “fill in the Gaps” by demonstrating that it was Uncle Charles, that doesn’t automatically mean by default that my Aunt Hattie did it. It still must be demonstrated to actually BE true, before Belief THAT it’s true to be justified. Otherwise it’s just B.S.

Which is why “God did it. Prove me wrong or I’m right by default” is wrong every day of the week. This truth is why amateur internet apologists are so vociferous and aggressive in their refusal to answer questions or give evidence on their argumentative and condescending assertions. One named Tom even told me point blank the other day… Science doesn’t have the tools to detect for God. Namely, God is Unfalsifiable by Natural means. Tom went on to say we can only use Reasoning and Philosophy. As I said above, flawed and fallible minds of men and women who already have a conclusion they want to justify and convince themselves and others of. Circular reasoning and confirmation bias in a Nutshell.

I wasn’t always this way though. I have a post, maybe a series of posts, coming that will explain when I come from, who I am, and why I left my former Faith of Christianity. Stay tuned for more and thanks for reading.

-mike

Lost and Found… Answering Tom

On the “Say So” of a Moral Monster

Since none of us has actual direct evidence of the existence of either a Heaven or a Hell, outside of Faith placed in what the Bible or other similar Holy Books…

What kind of arrogance

What level of hatred and disgust for yourself and other human beings

How sadistic and cruel must you be…

… to actually believe and agree with the judgement of the God you worship that those who don’t believe the same way as you, that other fellow human beings not only Are “Lost” in the sense of being in danger of Eternal Perdition and Torture…. but that they actually Deserve such?

What say ye?

-mike

Monday’s “Verse of the Day”

“It is of the Lord’s mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not. They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.” -Lamentations 3:22‭-‬23 kjv (of course)

Well, ain’t that just a loving thing to say?

Welcome to My Desert Voice. A place to explore, rant, discuss and exchange ideas on life, love, Faith, religion, my ‘former’ faith and religion – Christianity, apologetics and truth.

This being my First Post aside from that automated template that WordPress puts up first, I’d like to introduce what will become a weekly post. Monday’s Bible Verse of the Day. I still read my Bible occasionally and receive daily verses from an app subscribed to. Between the two sources i think i can find some gems, some diamonds in the rough, or some “Doggie Landmines” in the grass (if you know what I mean) to discuss and highlight on a weekly basis. Why not join in the fun, or if current christians are so inclined… attempt to defend your Hoo Doo, Voo Doo, “Doo Doo”.

His “Mercies” keep Him from Consuming You

“It is of the Lord’s mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not. They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.” -Lamentations 3:22‭-‬23 kjv (of course)

This week, as you can see from the above picture and the posted verse, is from the Book of Lamentations, a short little ditty after Jeremiah that Laments our “Loving Lord’s” judgement of Israel, His Chosen and most loved people in the Old Testament, by the very same God who chose them to be Specially ‘loved’ and protected among all the nations of the world, for the crimes of not completely and wholly following His Words and His Prophet’s words. Thus, the Loving and Protecting and Choosing God of Israel has thrown them to the wolves… to be under subjection to and destruction by the nations around them.

Make no mistake though, the ‘protection’ from Complete Consumption that Jeremiah is praising God’s mercies for is from God Himself. Far from protecting and defending, in the context of Jeremiah and Lamentations, God has actually brought, allowed and “Willed” the destruction and judgement that the people are experiencing. Its by His Hand that they are being punished, He’s just using the nations as tools and weapons against His own people.

And that part about His Mercies being renewed every morning, like we used to love singing in church, are more like a timer… It’s your daily chance to “Bow and bend the knee” or be “Broken and burnt” by the same Hand that is offering His Steadfast Love and Morning Mercies.

So let us hear the End of the Matter

The Desert Voice version…

“I could wipe you completely from all existence, off the face of the earth if I wanted to… But every new day is a new opportunity to get and stay on my good side, and get and stay off my bad side. Life or Death, make a choice.”

Nw that’s the Loving God we so admire for His merciful kindness.

-mike